Small Markets Turn Into Big Opportunities
Interview with Jay Crawford, Anchor, Cold Pizza (ESPN2)
By Brian Damewood

Do you know where Hazard, Ky., is?  Jay Crawford, the host of ESPN 2’s Cold Pizza, most certainly does.  The first four years of his 18-year broadcasting career were spent at WYMT-TV in a town with roughly 5,500 residents.  Quite a humble start for the Bowling Green State University pitcher whose face is now shown on ESPN 2 for 4.5 hours each weekday.

The native of Sandusky, Ohio, had stints at television stations in Hartford, Conn., Columbus, Ohio, and Tampa, Fla., before finally landing in New York City.  During Cold Pizza’s popular segment, “1st and 10, Crawford serves as the “umpire” when sports columnists Woody Paige and Skip Bayless match wits and discuss the 10 biggest sports stories of the day.

Cold Pizza invited Planet Blacksburg to their show on Monday, March 6 to view their program before interviewing Crawford afterwards.  Headlining their guest list that day was former Atlanta Braves pitcher, John Rocker.  For those who don’t remember, Rocker is famous for his comments made about New York City’s subway patrons during the 1999 National League Championship Series against the New York Mets.

Before Rocker was about to go on air, he removed his microphone and stormed out of the studio, possibly toward Penn Station to catch the 7 Train to Shea Stadium.  Apparently Rocker was not into discussing his past remarks.  Once this crisis was averted, the show finished smoothly and Planet Blacksburg was able to chat with Crawford about his experience with Cold Pizza, Rocker’s exit and Crawford’s own rise to the top.

Below are selected excerpts from an interview with Jay Crawford done March 6, 2006.     

Q: John Rocker bolted on you.  Why did he do that?
Crawford: First of all we had a great conversation in the Green Room … We had a great conversation just talking about baseball, pitching and the show and everything.  We walk into the studio and he said, “We’re not going to talk about my comments are we?”

I said, “Yeah, that’s who you are.”  He wouldn’t be on this Joes vs. Pros … anything, if it wasn’t for his comments.  If you look at his body of work for a career, he was a dominant guy for maybe 1.5 seasons.

Q: I think the comments contributed to that.  It didn’t really help him.
Crawford: Well, what it did was make his success almost impossible, because, he had to start pitching with ear plugs in. He’s a head case.  What I feel sorry for him for is he said idiotic things … Why not just say, “I’m sorry.  I offended everybody.  It was insensitive, it was ignorant, and I was a stupid guy.  That was seven years ago.  I’m a better human being now because of it.  I donate a hundred hours of community service a year for the New York Special-Needs Kids.” 

Q: Did he actually do that?
Crawford: No!

Q: I was confused that maybe he turned over a new leaf.
Crawford: He’s not, and you know what?  That’s it, he can’t.  You can paint the guy whatever color you want, put a new uniform on him, but when you take it off, it’s always going to be John Rocker.  Look, it’s not just me being bitter because he blew off the show.  That happens … John Rocker had a chance to help his show, the network — and I’m not even going to say what it is. But he had a chance to help them and instead, he hurt them.  Because, if he would have just come on the show and answered the questions and blown up on the air, how smart would that have been?!  Everyone would’ve seen it.   John Rocker’s little appearance on Cold Pizza suddenly becomes not just evening news, but Sports Center runs it.  All the local affiliates pick it up and run it.  Everyone runs it: free publicity. 

But now, he never came on the show.  We’re not going to get any free publicity out of it, he’s not, the network’s not.  What it did was hurt the network that’s putting it on the air, but it also hurt him, because anyone who wants him to be on their team, television show, the answer is going to be a clear-cut no … 

Q: What kind of student media did you do at Bowling Green State University?  You said you were a pitcher?
Crawford: I played baseball.  But from my career standpoint, I was a Radio, Television and Film and Broadcast Journalism major and I did some volunteering at the student radio stations.  I hosted call-in shows, oddly enough morning shows reading five-minute sportscasts.  From that I did a lot of play by play too, and I started to really realize this is more than just something that’s fun, or a hobby: this could be a career.  I’m very passionate about sports. 

So from there I did an internship before my senior year at the NBC station in Syracuse, N.Y.  I got to see how the wheels of the machine really turn.  I worked on a demo tape the whole summer, came back and sent the tape out.  And just before I graduated I got a call from a station I had never heard of in Hazard, Ky.  They said they didn’t have anything in sports but they asked if I wanted to do something in news.  I said, “Yeah, I love news!”  I started reading every newspaper I could get, because I had no desire to do news.  It was the first station that called, and I was ready to go…

Q: You’ve got to take what you can get early on.
Crawford: Take what you can get early on.  Kids don’t understand that you have to go to places like Hazard, Ky., making $13,000 a year to start out, and then after four years of this, they decide to go sell insurance, because, “I’m not going to Hazard, Ky.”

Q: Too many people quit early on.
Crawford: The drop out rate is higher in this profession, I can guarantee you, than any other profession — even history.  Its unbelievable how many students have degrees in broadcast journalism, but aren’t practicing that.  It’s so difficult.  It’s difficult, but more importantly the weed-out to the business is:  If you want this, you have to go to Bluefield, W.Va. …

I tell people this:  If they call you, and you have a job offer for you, consider yourself lucky.  Go in a heartbeat.  Don’t second guess it, go.  Because you have to get the skills you need in Hazard, Ky., before you work at ESPN.  You have to learn the way its done in different places, take what works for you in each of those places and whether it ends up at ESPN or not, I say that anybody practicing anything. 

I say it’s like baseball:  Nobody rolls out of bed, unless you’re Alex Rodriguez, and falls into a major league uniform.  You’ve got to play (Class) A ball: for me that was Hazard.  And then AA: and for me that was Columbus.  Then AAA ball: for me that was Tampa.  To look at your final goal don’t just look at that.  You have to look where to start early on. 

Q: Were you encouraged by such a small market to work harder, or were you ever overwhelmed thinking, “I don’t know if this is going to work out.”
Crawford: First of all, the drop out rate, the 99 percent drop out rate, fueled my desire to do it.  I love being told, “You can’t do that,” number one.  Number two, the other thing that worked in my favor was when I went to Hazard, Ky. I wasn’t just a sports guy.  I started in news.  In my interview I said if the building needs painted on weekends, I’ll paint the building.  They laughed, but I said, “I’m serious … I’ll paint the news room, I’ll do whatever you need.”  I was that willing to do whatever I could. 

My job function was a news reporter for three weeks, then we had this change in general management, which I thought was bad for me because the guy that hired me was leaving and we were all interviewed again.  They said, “I want your passion on my sports desk. You’re the new sports director.” 

I don’t know anything about being sports director but three weeks in I’m the new sports director.  I asked if there was a raise that went along with that, and the answer was no.  I said, “Ok, I’ll take it.” 

What happened was, I was a photographer, editor, writer, producer, and oh by the way, the cherry on the desert was to go present it.  Even though my title was sports director-anchor, I would go out to football games, basketball games, previews. I was constantly driving, covering all these events by myself.  I was holding the microphone, shooting my own video and then editing my footage…

Q: ESPN calls you in August of 2003, what is your first reaction to that?
Crawford: Well initially I had said no, because they had already called me in May and then they called me in July.  I had just resigned a five-year contract to stay in Tampa and I really wasn’t interested in moving.  The last time they called they were getting desperate because Rich Eisen was close to signing and then he went to the NFL Network and they had nobody and they were launching in two months.  They wanted to know why I wasn’t interested and I said I had two young kids at the time who weren’t nuts about moving.  They brought my whole family up to look at N.Y. and after a few days in N.Y. my kids said, “We could get used to this.  If you need to do it, let’s do it.”
Once I knew they were into it, I opened my mind to it and then one thing lead to another and here I am.

Q: Did you always want to be in a big market?
Crawford: I always wanted to work in a market that had a pro football team.  Tampa won the Super Bowl when I was there and my desire was to cover pro sports; but in particular NFL.  I was able to do that obviously in Tampa and I had no desire to do that anywhere else.  I was never a guy who aspired to go to ESPN.  I didn’t sit around and say, “Wow, one day I want to work there.  I want to be on Sports Center.”  That wasn’t me at all.  What I wanted to do was (A) draw a paycheck covering sports, period.  I didn’t care where it was.  I had a blast in Hazard, Ky., covering high school basketball and UK (University of Kentucky) hoops.  To me that was fun. 

But to elevate it up to where you aren’t covering high school—you’re covering the best athletes in the world.  Obviously that’s a lot more fun.  But really I never was a guy that had a list on a piece of paper and said I want to be here, I want to be there at this age.  If it’s a good fit and it feels right, then I go.

Q: Your success was measured on whether you enjoyed it, not necessarily how much money you made.
Crawford: Absolutely.  Not even on a paycheck.  A lot of people say, “Well, I’m happier now because I’m making a lot more money.”  But, where are you?  Are you happy with that job?  I’ve always judged my personal happiness on: Do I like the job I perform?  Regardless of how much money, or where, or everything else … and I’ve been lucky. 

I’ve done this for going on 18 years and I’ve always loved what I do and where I do it and for the most part, who I do it for.

Q: What’s the difference between TV now and when you started in the late 80s?
Crawford: Immediacy and competition.  I think there are so many channels that are out there now and we as programmers have to think about that.  Because if we get complacent, or we get overly boring for 30 seconds too long, the clicker is an arm reach away and there are 200 channels, 300 channels or whatever you have cable-wise.  It’s made television better, I’d like to think. Because, in the old days if they got caught on a boring topic for too long, you only had two other choices.  You had NBC, ABC and CBS.  So now, you’ve got to be on your toes.

 

Q: What about when the idea bank runs dry?  Do you guys panic about that sometimes?
Crawford: That’s the beauty of this show because every new sports day brings a whole new sports agenda.  With “1st and Ten”, when they first came up with the idea I said, “You’ll never find 50 good topics a week.”  I was wrong.  In some of our meetings, we throw out our initial list.  Sometimes we have 20 or 30 … Very rare is it that we start with five or six good ones.  The idea bank is generated by the next day on the calendar.

Q: You’ve gone from level to level; you’re at ESPN right now.  In your experience, what did you find that’s always pushed you to that next level, that’s always made you keep climbing?
Crawford: I don’t want to sound like I’ve been complacent, but I’ve always been happy with where I was.  Not to the point where I would say, “Ok, I want to stay here the rest of my life.” But, I’ve never been like, “I have to have this, I have to go, I have to leave now, I have to go get this.”

I think for me, obviously you want to do whatever you do at a high level, and it just so happens that ESPN in our industry is considered the highest level of sports television.  So even though that’s the Mecca, it wasn’t like I ever set out to achieve that.  For me I just … anytime I’ve played a sport, anything I’ve ever done: If I’m going to do it I want to be good at it.  I want to work hard at it even if I’m not good.  I’m going to outwork the next guy in preparation or whatever.

Q: You say you never wanted to come to ESPN.  How did you decide, “I know its time for me to move on?”  Because, I know when you worked at Hazard, Ky., you knew you had to move on because it wasn’t going to sustain you.  When you were in Hartford, Conn., how do you know, “Jay, its time for me to move to something else?”
Crawford: Well, money drives that to a certain extent.  Obviously the bigger market you move to, the more money you make.  When you look at your paycheck and then you realize you have an offer double that to go somewhere and do basically the same thing, it’s an open market society.  Of course if you’re selling shoes for $20 an hour and the competitor comes to you and says, “Come sell them for $40 an hour.” You pretty much have to go and do it. It’s not like you’re going to have to lift bricks.  That might be another thing.  You’re going to go practice your craft, doing what I love to do. 

For me it’s always been about where will I live?  When I was in Hazard, I was going to take the first big offer that came and it happened to be Hartford.  I could’ve been patient and found a more favorable city for me.  When I got there I realized I don’t like the Northeast and I was there for two years and moved.  So I went back to Ohio, which is where I was born and raised and covered Ohio State Buckeyes.  I love Ohio State athletics.  So for me it was always:  Where am I going to be?  What am I going to be covering? 

With Tampa it was a big, big pay increase and it was 80-degrees and sunny everyday, play golf everyday.  It was like, oh, well that lifestyle won’t suck.  Twist my arm, I’ll go.  With New York it was a lifestyle change because the money was different and it was living in New York City, which I had never done before, working on a network show with quality names like Woody Paige and Skip Bayless and having a bigger more profound impact that anything I had ever done in my career from a sheer numbers standpoint and viewers standpoint. 

Q: Do you find that because you work at ESPN in New York City, do you find that you have a hard time going out in public?  Is that an issue?
Crawford: If it’s a sporting event, yes …

Q: If you’re going to dinner with your family and you’re trying to sit down, then someone comes up and is like, “Hey Jay!  Hey Jay!  Hey Jay!”
Crawford: Yeah, I could do without that.  But at the same time, when I see someone that I know from TV, you forget that they don’t know you … Now think of it for one second in your life if you walked around and people that you don’t know—know you.  It automatically disarms you a little bit.  They come up to you and are like, “Hey man, how you doing!” 

You feel inadequate because you don’t have anything to give them.  You don’t know who they are.  They know you, they know everything about you, or they live what they see.  It’s a little different.  But, here at ESPN no one is what I call a mega-star; someone that crosses every single realm of society…

Q: Like a Michael Jordan character.
Crawford: Michael Jordan, everyone is going to know who that is.  There is nobody who can say it’s truly so overwhelming that it just affects their life and it’s just miserable to go out.  If I go to ESPN Zone and eat lunch it becomes a bigger issue, because that’s not only sports fans, that’s our crowd.  If they don’t know me, I do have a problem!  I love to talk to sports fans and I love to talk sports.  So it’s really not a problem…